Psych Ward

Posted by – September 13, 2009

Yesterday was a very boring day. I pretty much slept the entire day, which is what I always think I want to do, but which never turns out to be the best thing for me. I ended up not sleeping much last night, and it didn’t help that my cat Max chose last night to be a total lovebug. By which I mean he sat right on my chest and purred as loudly as possible for the entirety of the night, swatting at my face if I dared stop petting him. And don’t think you can do something as simple as just put Max away in another room — he literally throws himself at the door over and over again until you let him back in. He will do it non-stop for hours.

So whatever, I was hoping to have a not-so-boring day today, since I woke up feeling depressed and lethargic and anxious about having done nothing yesterday. I called one of my girlfriends to see what she was up to, and she was basically mid-crisis. We’ll call her “B” for the sake of her privacy. B is — like me — on psychiatric medication, because — like me — she descends rapidly into fucking insanity without it. But while I have the privilege of fancy health insurance and a father who works in medicine and can always make a phone call when I’m in pinch, B is completely dependent on the state for her health care. She goes through doctors at the county hospital. She’s been trying to get her psych meds refilled for WEEKS now. The psychiatrist told her she first had to see a primary care physician, who had a waiting list of six months, so she got on the waiting list, called the psychiatrist back, and has been basically begging them to give her a refill for awhile now. They have not returned her calls. So last night she was completely out of her meds. She called me this morning — she hadn’t slept all night, she sounded absolutely wrecked, she was just a total mess. And I know from experience how quickly I can lose all contact with reality when I go off these meds cold turkey. But I’ve always made that ill-advised choice myself, not because I didn’t have the meds available. I was furious at her doctor for putting her in this position — it’s absurdly irresponsible.

B doesn’t have a car, so I picked her up and we headed over to Harborview, the county hospital, where I informed her that we were going to make giant pains in the ass of ourselves until she got her meds. This is an approach I find to be effective in these types of situations. We arrived at the county ER around 4pm, and they were relatively quick in admitting her, and then she met with a financial counselor who agreed to waive all fees for her for the next six months, so that was awesome. By around 4:30, they let us into the ward to meet with a doctor. Note that by “ward” I am referring to the psychiatric ward of a county hospital. This is not a pleasant place to be. To their credit, the nurses and doctors were all fantastic and very pleasant, but there was a patient in the room down the hall who INCESSANTLY screamed to herself and at the hospital staff. Mostly it was variations of “I WILL FUCK THAT BITCH UP” and “I’M GONNA FUCK YOU UP!” but occasionally it got interesting, like, she screamed the word “basketball” for awhile, and then played Marco Polo with herself. I recorded parts of it on my iPhone, and it was funny at the time, but on a re-listen, it’s just too desperate and genuinely painful to put on here. There was just such depth to her sadness, and you hear it in her screams. So much pain. B and I both felt toxic being on that ward. Oh, and did I mention they wanted to take away B’s shoelaces? When she was just there to get a med refill? But luckily the head nurse was like, “No, I don’t think we have to worry about her hanging herself in here.” (This conversation was going on while B and I were laughing and playing logic puzzles on my iPhone — that’s how close to suicide we appeared: “IF I CAN’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THIS GOLF BALL OUT OF THIS PIPE USING ONLY A WATER BOTTLE AND A TENNIS RACKET I SWEAR TO GOD I’M GONNA FUCKING HANG MYSELF!”)

About a half-hour later, the doctor came in. She was very nice. B was only asking for one or two pills, just until she could get a hold of her psychiatrist, but the doctor was like, “That’s silly, I’m going to write you a prescription for a month. It’s much easier to do that right now than to worry about having you come back here for a month-long stay.” Which is SO FUCKING TRUE. Like, the hospital knows B’s history — she’s been on that ward before as a patient. But she’s been on these meds for two years now and has been a totally healthy, happy, normal person. WHY ON EARTH WOULD HER PSYCHIATRIST NOT GIVE HER A REFILL??? It’s mind-blowing to me, the impossible hoops she was supposed to jump through for these pills. Our hospital doctor was very understanding and wrote her a prescription.

But here’s the next part: B needs to get her meds from the hospital. If she takes the scrip somewhere else, she has to pay for it all out-of-pocket. So we wait — ON THE PSYCH WARD — for the pharmacy to send the meds up, because on Sunday the normal pharmacy is closed and now there is only one pharmacist on duty. After an hour of waiting — amidst this woman’s screams of “Sir? SIR? SIIIIIIIIIIRRRRR???? I will FUCK YOU UP!” (I have it all on tape, I swear) — we still didn’t have our meds, so they let us be discharged so we could wait for them in the normal ER waiting area. By 7:30 we were tired of waiting, so we went to meet up with another friend and then came back at 8:45, when they finally had the meds that had been called in at 5:45. Oh, and did I mention that, by that time of night, we had to clear a metal detector to go into the waiting room?

I’m glad my friend can access health care even without health insurance. I’m glad we were able to work within the system to get her those pills she needed. I’m grateful that the hospital waived all fees for her — which she was really nervous about having to pay. These are all aspects of the system that work. I wish it could have happened faster — and we got expedited service because we were psych ER patients. B tells me she waited in that room for 7 hours just a day after having back surgery to try to get pain meds, crying and in excruciating pain, and she was never seen. She finally went home and cried herself to sleep, she tells me.

I don’t understand exactly where the hiccups are in the system, but that waiting room just reeked of desperation. Sad, desperate lives without options. Everyone who worked there was very kind and willing to help, it’s just SO SLOW to get patients seen. Where is the problem? Are there not enough doctors? Are there not enough beds? Where is the bottleneck here and how do we fix it?

And why couldn’t B’s psychiatrist have just given her enough of her meds until she could get in to see this primary care doctor? Why on earth would you risk doing that to a patient, when you know full well what happens to her when she doesn’t take those meds? B’s a smart and competent girl, and she has a strong support system, and so she understood how to go to the ER and get what she needed. But think of the countless patients out there that would be so discouraged by the situation that they just never would have gone back to their doctors and never would have gotten back on their meds, and then a couple weeks later they’re the one being rolled in on a gurney screaming and crying about Marco Polo. Very, very frustrating.

In the end, though, B got her pills, and I had most DEFINITELY not spent the day being bored. If nothing else, this was a very good reminder of where I could be 10 years down the road if I don’t stay on top of my mental health shit — going to my therapist, taking my meds as prescribed, etc. It was a wake-up call that I needed, as I’d been planning in my head already how I was going to taper myself of the Seroquel, because I HATE how tired it makes me. How I don’t even start my day until noon usually, and then I’m tired again by 4. And because I think it’s giving me diabetes. But after seeing all this, what I think I’m going to do instead is talk it over with my doctor and hear what he has to say. Because that is what a normal person would do.

  • Erin
    Everybody- Sara and Poppanna's comments about medication are a very common reaction to the issue of medication use. Sometime meds are negligably over prescribed, sometimes they are withheld when they are sorely needed.

    I too am tired of defending my need to be on antidepressants and am often told I should be 'dealing' with my problems instead of 'masking' them with medication. This advice is often well meaning, and for some people it's very true. I have a lot of friends who were described anti depressant drugs without being sent for any talk therapy or counselling first.

    I've noticed that people with mental illness are often very quick to project their own experiences onto others, which is easy to do. It's important to remember that everyone is on their own journey. We should be supporting one another, not judging.
  • melly
    Sasha what is the name of the app you were talking about? I used to love those stupid logic games!
  • CJT621
    While it's true that our current healthcare system is flawed I'm not so sure the government is the right party to solve it. If you look at most government run facilities from the county hospital Sasha described to the VA and the Indian Health Service you'll find that they are badly underfunded and consequently understaffed. Also they are usually drowning in red tape and subject to policies from the top that change with the politcal wind. And don't even get me started on damage Medicare has done to rural healthcare or the problems with Medicare Part D. Years ago many hospitals were funded by religous organizations and most Dr's were quite flexible with regard to payment but years of government intervention have brought those days to an end. It will take a long time to fix the system and hoenstly I don't think the government can do it. They'll probably make things worse to tell the truth.
  • bella
    My cat is EXACTLY like Max. He will literally throw himself, yowling, at the door for hours if he can't climb into bed with me. Drives hubs crazy, but he's been doing it since he was a kitten.

    Also, I agree with Terri - Sasha wasn't asking for your opins on her meds. Sorry to sound harsh, but Sara/Poppanna - I think you need to MYOB. And to imply that she's hiding from her issues by taking meds prescribed by doctors that know much more about her than YOU ever will - Poppanna - you really should be ashamed yourself. Same to you Sara for implying "self discipline" will "cure" her.
  • Rachel
    My cat also pulls the stretching and clawing at the door and then she gets her face down close to the crack and yowls and makes her series of noises trying to get me to let her in. Luckily she stops after a while but she will come back repeatedly. Ugh. Then if I let her in she'll sleep and cuddle for 30min then want to go back out again to repeat the process. Gotta love her though. :)
  • Terri
    :)

    My cat does this too. She will beat herself up until that door opens.
  • Emily
    The health care system is so screwed up, and its just not fair. I used to have excellent health care until I turned 18. Now I have nothing. I now have to go and get denied for an insurance card since I'm a student and I have no income at the moment, so that I can go and wait around for a doctor to take some time to work a free clinic. I recently fell and hurt my leg pretty badly, but I knew if I went to the ER it would cost me a fortune in hospital bills which there is no way I would be able to afford. I pray that once I'm done with college I can get a good job that offers some type of health care, but at the moment I have to suffer. I can't sleep at night because of the pain in my leg and I have taken every type of over the counter pain med possible but I must have really messed up my leg. I don't quite understand the health care bill that the president is trying to pass, but honestly why should people in America have to suffer because they have no money? I also have bad bouts of depression but as soon as I turned 18 I could no longer get my medication. I'm thankful I wasn't on a higher dose of depression medication, but when I had to go without it was the worst feeling I've ever felt in my life. Not only did I have the physical effects of going without the medicine but the things going through my brain at the time were horrible and I never want to reach that point in my life ever again. Like I said, in a few years I pray that I can get ANY type of insurance just so I can be able to function. But until then, I'm just out of damn luck.
  • CJT621
    Most of the time if you are a full time student your parents insurance will cover you into your early twenties. Also if you are injured the ER has to treat you and it is often possible to get the cost reduced or eliminated.
  • Abbi
    Have you tried insurance through your school? I know that my collage offers a fully health care plan for like an extra 160 on the tuition. That's like dirt cheap and it's a really good plan. After I get married in January that's what I plan on doing.
  • Emily
    I go to a community college, they don't have the funding for anything like that.
  • Abbi
    Oh my community college had student insurance too. Have you asked? I know out of the three colleges I went to (2 university, 1 community) they all offered a student health insurance plan. And they weren't all in the same state.
  • Alicia
    Hi Poppanna,

    I do understand where you are coming from if the meds did not work for you, however, this is not the case for everyone. You also have to be on them for more than a few weeks to really get the benefit from them. Sasha does benefit from them & she needs them. I will not go off my medication & they do NOT make me devoid of feelings at all. I feel everything. Just as you do not want me to presume to know you, I would ask that you do the same for me (and Sasha). To make blanket statments about ones mental health is not good and you should know better. Sharing your experience is one thing, but making recommendations based on that experience is another. I wish you the best of luck & I am glad that you have found a way to manage your illness without medication, there are still those of us who need them.
  • I just thought I would be able to leave some kind of comment that was intended to be nothing but helpful without getting bashed. Sasha clearly is okay with having non-ass-kissing comments on here, or she would delete them.
    Sorry I got you wound up so much about this - that really wasn't my intention.
    Bless.
  • snapdragon
    "Remember, as long as you’re on that stuff, you can never fully heal, because you don’t have proper access to your feelings and moods."

    um - exactly how is that helpful? that sounds like you are not only advising sasha to get off her meds but also like you are looking down on her for being on them in the first place. so ignorant.
  • Alicia
    No one is kissing anyone's ass...just saying what you were suggesting is very I'll advice. I rarely comment, but this is a subject that is close to my heart. It was my thought when I read your comment that you were suggesting Sasha just be on a regular sleep pattern & things would be fine. I thought it was ignorant advice so I let you know
  • Alicia
    *ill*
  • Actually, I didn't say anything about a regular sleep pattern. Or that anyone here was kissing ass... only that I was not going to do it.
    Alicia, I'm getting the feeling YOU'RE the one jumping to fast conclusions here, no matter how ignorant you thought my comments were.
  • music s
    if going off your meds leads to writing the drunken humiliating insanity that results in a blog writing as embarrassing as "This Is What the Boys Do", for the love of god go off the meds. that was hilarious. that was like 7 levels of crazy; drunken giving-sex-to-sailors-for-attention while bragging about it on a blog.
  • Abbi
    Are you kidding me? That post was beautiful. You're an ass.
  • Terri
    I'm not angry, leaving comments doesn't let you have inflections like a conversation. It's just that Sasha didn't ask for opinions on getting off of her medication. She is working actively with a doctor, and her father, and I think everyone that is jumping in saying "get off your meds" should think before interfering in her care. This is something between her and her doctor(s). Sasha has repeatedly said how far down she goes without the meds, as she is just now getting on track, I think comments telling her how the care she is receiving is wrong isn't helpful.
  • "Unless you have a medical degree, you need to realize you don’t know what you are talking about. As my parents told me long ago - if you don’t know what you are talking about, butt out."

    That sounded pretty angry to me. And anyway, this is the comments section. Where we leave our thoughts on the post.
    And I definetly wasn't just jumping in and saying "get off your meds" and not thinking before interfering.
    I know what reaction comments that don't agree 100% with the writer of the post usually provoke. A lot of the time the only thing you're allowed to say without getting bashed is "Oh, I agree with you" and "I feel so sorry for you" - which is fine, if that's really your opinion. But I think that if I have an opinion that I believe might be of help (and that was my believe), I should have every right to post that without getting attacked like this.
  • Rachel
    I feel so badly for her. Luckily I am not really dependent on any medication but I do understand the troubles of health care. I really can't comprehend how people can see or hear stories like this and not think that there is something wrong with our system. That something needs to be fixed and it needs to be fixed now. I'm glad she finally got the help she needed and I am so glad she has an awesome friend like you around to be there for her and understand and reach out a hand to help her. She is obviously working hard to get herself better and stronger and that should be rewarded. We have to jump through enough hoops in our lives already, getting healthy should be easy.
  • BK
    Sasha I totally understand your love/hate relationship with Seroquel. I have been on a low dose for years to help with sleep (200mg.) Without it I do not sleep, I have tired many times to go off it, or try something else to disastrous results. Seroquel is also responsible for my high blood sugar. I want so desperately to not be dependent on this medication, but my sleep and mental stability is just so important. Uggg not a fun ride to be on, but thank god for amazing family and friends!
  • jeneria
    My Lithium is responsible for me being about 20 pounds overweight. But to go off it would be catastrophic. I almost destroyed my marriage and my career the last time I thought I didn't need it anymore.
  • Sara
    Sasha I've been reading this blog for a while, so don't take this the wrong way, because I don't really know you but I think if you got up in the morning and didn't sleep during the day you wouldn't need sleeping pills and you probably wouldn't feel so crazy. Maybe you should try that? I mean you act like you are schizophrenic or manic depressive and you can't go a day without drugs without harming yourself. I have to wonder if you really need all those drugs you're taking or if you're just taking them because that's easier than having some self discipline.

    Just sayin'.
  • anna
    That's a thoughtful point, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with self - discipline. It's easy to have the "toughen up" attitude, it's a romantic notion and I fall prey to it myself.
    But in Sasha's case, she built this little media - empire by herself. That takes discipline. Her chosen field of blogging is one that encourages being a 24 hr monitor of culture. As the nature of our careers change, the structure of our lives should be able to change as well. Why should she feel undisciplined for sleeping during the day? Her career pretty much demands odd hours. The world has changed and will be changing exponentially, if we don't change our 9-5 work day bank on Friday expectations we will always be in crisis.
  • Wow, just wow.
    I'm getting sick of this argument, because there obviously is no "right" or "wrong" here, only "my opinion" and "your opinion". I'm sorry you weren't able to accept my opinion, but I guess I won't be able to convince you that I was only hoping to add something helpful (and I'm pretty sure that just because I "advised" it, Sasha wouldn't have gone off her meds just like that).
    So then, I wish you all the best in the future, with or without meds.
    Ta ta for now.
  • snapdragon
    actually, poppanna, there is a "right" way: everyone decides with their doctor what is best for them. the "wrong" way? chiming in with half-assed, ill-thought out advice, like "meds are not the way." if they aren't the way for you, great. but you are not everyone else. can you keep your promise and go away now? ta.
  • I think Sara might have a point there. I mean, the goal is to get off the meds at some point and deal without them, not get as comfortable as possible WITH them. In fact, if you're "comfortable" with the medication, it's already gone too far. Remember, as long as you're on that stuff, you can never fully heal, because you don't have proper access to your feelings and moods.
    I really hope you'll find a way to cope with your issues, sweetheart, and not just hide from them.
  • snapdragon
    poppanna - are you serious? how dare you suggest that someone stop taking their medication. being "comfortable" means you can function. do you know when most depressed people attmempt suicide? when they stop taking their medication. not only is it true statistically, but i myself am bipolar and have attempted suicide 3 times in my life...all when i stopped taking my meds. maybe meds weren't the way for you, but they keep thousand of people - including myself- alive. furthermore, you are not sasha's doctor and that is a very dangerous game you are playing, advising anyone to stop taking their medication. shame on you.
  • snapdragon
    poppanna- one more thing: the last time i attempted suicide i came very close to achieving it, spending 5 days in the hospital and then 3 months in the psych. ward. i would never stop taking my meds again, not for any reason. i promised myself and also mr. snap. i had to learn that lesson the hard way, and i sincerely hope you never learn it. and by the way, my feelings are "real" - at least i am alive to feel them. you are so amazingly insulting it is shocking.
  • snapdragon
    poppanna - i never said i was the only person who had these problems (and why you would infer that from my post is ridiculous) but i also am not the person who tried to give medical advice to someone by advising they go off their meds. why would you even say that to someone you don't know? that is very harmful advice to dish out. you were insulting to people who take medication, and like it or not, it made you look ignorant and insensitive. your words made you look that way, not mine. and if sasha decided to go off her meds she probably would have done it with her doctor's advice, and it would be fine. i seriously doubt anyone would have had a problem with it - except you, of course, because according to you, sasha is "hiding from her issues instead of coping with them." i guess the rest of us are, too. here's a thought: why don't you just go away and live your med-free life and let the rest of us live ours the way we see fit. sorry if you think i'm "aggressive" - i'm just trying to add something to the topic. my feelings (along with all of us on meds) aren't "real" anyway, and i guess we are all just a bunch of weak-willed losers, so why do you care what any of us think?
  • I'm very sorry a whole lot of you feel so incredibly insulted by my post. I was merely trying to express my opinion, add something to the topic, but it seems that something like that is not wanted on this site.
    Tell me just one thing, guys - if Sasha had written the post saying she was trying to get used to life WITHOUT medication, would you have called her "ignorant" and "amazingly insulting" as well? I highly doubt it.

    And Snapdragon - I would really appreciate it if you could 1) be a little less aggressive and insulting and not jump down my throat like this and 2) not assume that you're the only person in the universe who's ever had issues like the ones you're talking about. It makes you look ignorant, rather than me.
  • jeneria
    Depending on the mental situation, you might be on the meds for the rest of your life. I know, I'm bipolar. I don't ever get to go off my meds, not for a second.

    But also with depression, bipolar, and schizophrenia, monitoring the sleep is key. Gone are my days of staying up until 3am and sleeping mid-afternoon. It's a straight 8 for me now.
  • Sara
    See, I was not saying people who suffer from serious mental illness should go off their meds. I know they need them.
  • Alicia
    Again, you don't read this blog much...maybe go back & get caught uo before commenting. Sasha does have a serious condition or she would not be on the medication. And, don't feel sorry for us. Feel sorry for yourself because you obviously have no clue. Sorry, I tried to be nice, but your comments no longer warrant that.
  • Alicia
    With all due respect & I know you are just trying to help, BUT it is obvious you have not read this blog enough. When Sasha is not on her medication her world shuts down, literally. That is never a suggestion you give someone who REALLY needs medication. I, too, am on meds and it really is people like you who do not understand mental illness that make us feel like something is wrong with us if we take them. NOT GOOD! So really, just stop.

    Poppanna, the idea is not to get off the meds. The idea is to manage your life FOREVER with them. No one here is hiding, we are doing something about our condition so we can live happy, healthy, fulfilled lives. We are taking responsibility for ourselves, seekig out the help we need. It's not like...."just suck it up, get over it..." Mental illness is a REAL problem that must be recgonized. Please arm yourself with facts before coming here and making ridiculous suggestions.

    sincerely,

    alicia
  • thatLisa
    what Alicia said.
  • Sara
    I said she should stop taking sleeping pills, not meds, but whatever. If you guys can not live your lives without drugs then I feel really sorry for you.
  • dee
    I couldn't agree more. I've been on meds for depression and anxiety for close to 5 years now and I can't imagine my life without them. That's not something I am happy about but I've learned to accept it. When I don't take my meds, I wind up hurting myself. No one truly knows Sashas situation but she's brave enough to give us some insight. Don't try and bring her down because she's helping herself.
  • Alicia
    *seeking & recognized*
  • Alicia, I'm not ridiculing the subject.
    I'm part of the "mentall ill" gang and twice have spent half a year in a psych ward.
    So it's not like I'm just an ignorant jerk striding on here and mocking everyone. Maybe you shouldn't presume so much about me.

    And I still stand with my opinion: Meds are not the way. I was on antidepressant for several weeks, and let me tell you, it fucked me up so bad, it basically threw me back a year in what I had accomplished.
    Now I'm not saying that as a temporary "assistant" medication can't be a real help - it can, obviously - but I don't believe that, at the end of the day, it can really be a stand-in for "real" feelings.

    And Terri, there's no need to get so angry. I don't think I insulted you personally, did I? If so, I apologize.
  • Terri
    You wouldn't tell a diabetic to try and get off the insulin, or an asthmatic to get off the albuterol. Some people need medications. Unless you have a medical degree, you need to realize you don't know what you are talking about. As my parents told me long ago - if you don't know what you are talking about, butt out.
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